Welcome back to The PonderChat, an extension of The Pondercast! This season, we have tried to shorten our regular episodes, but still wanted to offer longer form content in this special format once a month. 

In this episode of The PonderChat, Perry is joined by Dan Esau, pastor of Leader Alliance Church, to discuss pain and suffering, from a biblical standpoint, and offer a pastoral response. Pastor Dan brings 30 years of experience to the table; you do not want to miss this riveting conversation. 

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