production in the Brazilian peripheries of São Paulo and Salvador da Bahia, respectively. This conversation moderated by Dr. Jamie Lee Andreson occurred in person at the Pennsylvania State University in January 2023, when Dr. Ruy Braga was in residence as a visiting professor. The topics discussed include the making of peripheral identities, the urban peripheries as the centers of Brazilian cultural production, and the long-standing challenges for popular

artists to secure the rights and resources they need to produce given a strict state bureaucracy.