Migration is often discussed in terms of statistics and politics, but at its heart, it is about people moving to survive. Whether driven by climate change, conflict, or the search for work, millions of people across Africa are on the move. In this conversation, Ellie Chesshire and Dr. Jason explore why our current social safety nets are failing these vulnerable groups because they stop at national borders.

They discuss the concept of "portable" social protection, insurance and support that follows a person wherever they go, and why we must replace divisive rhetoric with evidence-based policies that treat migration as a tool for shared development rather than a crisis to be managed.