Holly and Victoria tackle the tough subject of puppy mills and what's being done to stop them in both the US and the UK. They also talk about the surprising people and organizations that are inhibiting the progress of anti-puppy mill legislation, and the theories as to why they want commercial breeding to be allowed to continue.

Marc the Vet comes on the show to talk about his work campaigning against puppy mills in the UK, what the latest progress has been, and some very difficult challenges they have come across along the way