"It was sort of this two-faced message of 'well, if you don't want to [have sex], he should respect that. But also, you should really think about whether you're being selfish and you need to...serve him in this way'."

In our interview, Kathleen details the messages she received about sex and gender roles as a newly wed at her ultra-conservative Seattle church. Listen as she unfolds the consequences of being taught that her body belonged to her husband. And hear how she found bodily agency, and the strength to leave her abusive marriage through the support of her faith community. ⚠️ Trigger warning: this episode contains a description of marital rape.