Are we experiencing the last gasp of the patriarchy? If so, what comes next? Host Martha Chaves sparks ideas from Fahima Hashim and Nancy Ingram about transforming hierarchal patriarchal power structures embedded in some of our lives since childhood. “My mother was the boss of me, my father was the boss of her, and society was the boss of him,” Martha confesses. Sound familiar?

The guests are experienced, accomplished feminist activists brimming with ideas on what needs to be done. Fahima emphasizes collective structures and decisions by consensus. It’s not really a question of hierarchical structure, Nancy counters. “It’s how we relate to each other and what are the rules of engagement.”

Listen and decide what you think.