Content warning: This episode contains discussions of childhood sexual abuse and cancer, as well as a few more F-bombs than we normally drop.

Natalie chats with Jo Schonewolf, host of the podcast "What the Hell Is a Pastor?" Natalie and Jo talk about being a Christian in the '90s, the damage of purity culture, beating cancer, the new frontier of Christian podcasting, moving on after a toxic experience, and the complicated relationship pastors have with saying 4 letter words.

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