In this Father’s Day-themed episode, host/producer Tavia Gilbert speaks with Dian Griesel, a nationally renowned perception analyst and influencer, and best-selling author of The Silver Disobedience Playbook: 365 Inspirations for Living and Loving Agelessly. Tavia also gets to welcome her father, Terry Gilbert, who is currently running for Idaho State Superintendent of Public Instruction.

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