In this conversation, Pepe and Eric delve into the differences between political & social prisoners, the challenges of trust after betrayal, & the importance of personal stories in political activism. They share their experiences with the legal system, the pressures to cooperate, & the significance of maintaining trust in relationships, especially after facing the harsh realities of prison life. The discussion culminates in Eric's inspiring story of winning a case against the federal government, highlighting the resilience & determination of those who fight against systemic injustices. The discussion also touches on the transformative power of personal growth and the necessity of building a supportive community for those affected by incarceration.
**Eric lost connection about 40min in and the episode ends abruptly.