You always have to read beyond the headline. But you especially have to go further when it comes to the reports that "Ireland had no excess deaths" during the Covid pandemic.

Rejoining us to make sense of the data and give an expert opinion is Prof of Public Health, Anthony Staines. We also discuss the need for a serious inquiry into Ireland's handling of Covid so learnings can be made.

Couple of key things: Covid is still dangerous. Long Covid is causing economic and social problems. We held together during the pandemic, but the political and societal polarisation is worse now.