This is the second episode of the conversation (there will be a third episode next Saturday). Ricardo begins by discussing the notion of 'Principles of Consciousness' or a map of consciousness whereby consciousness is perceived like an ocean with many different kinds of waves or energies.

Riccardo then proceeds to talk about the nature of healing in the context of Shamanism; that a Shaman is a wounded healer, that healing is multifaceted and often involves healing wounds in one's past or even one's past lives.

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