A truly joyful episode. Vice-Chancellor and President at The University of Queensland and lifelong scholar of human behaviour, Professor Deborah Terry chats with Professor Judyth Sachs about the joy of discovery at university as a student and teacher; then re-finding that same joy as a leader - discovering how to create an environment for others to be successful.

Also in this episode: university DNA, credentialism, and building baseline skills for lifelong learning. The two reimagine the student experience in an online world, by returning to the three-point purpose of higher education: to teach, to research, to enrich.