A wide ranging discussion today with the very measured & knowledgeable Professor Greg Barton - where we spoke about the rise of the far right in Australia & around the world - & ASIO's recent language change in this regard. We of course discussed the political issues of the day & the challenges facing our democracy which don't currently seem fit to deliver the changes we need to face the challenges of our times - & what some solutions might be. This podcast was a real pleasure to host - & a must listen!