Dominica DeGrandis is my guest on this episode. In 2010, Dominica and I met at the first US DevOps Days. We discuss the early DevOps Days and the Kanban game in this episode. We also discuss her work on making work visible and the five thieves of time. Every time I speak with Dominica, it is always a great conversation. Here are a few links:

https://itrevolution.com/making-work-visible-by-dominica-degrandis/
https://itrevolution.com/immersion/
 linkedin.com/in/dominicadeg