Joe sends out a thank you to A very special someone and previews his forthcoming Batchelor podcast, before falling down the rabbit hole (or in this case pony hole) of people who spend they’re time pretending to be animals...He’s rescued by an Amazing Designer of Project Runway and Tik Tok fame, Gunnar Deatherage and they chat about Gunnar’s incredible journey as a self-taught designer who has designed clothes for some of the most famous people on the planet!

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