George and Peter Wilt discuss his essay about pro/rel from the new issue of the mag. (You can read The Pro/Rel Manifesto here.) Then Matt Pyzdrowski, goalkeeper for Helsingborgs IF in Sweden, joins to talk about his own experience being relegated with the club in November. (He also wrote about it for Howler—you can read I Got Relegated here.)

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