Lexie and I started where a lot of good conversations start — with dogs. And like most of our conversations we quickly dove into the latest on policy, climate, and what we're noticing in the outdoor space. Questions that came up in this phone chat like what does it actually mean to be outside, and what are we really after when we go? Why can't you protect public lands without naming the cattle industry, the USDA's grip on the Forest Service, or the Canadian mining company quietly trying to drill near the headwaters of LA's water supply? We got into California's snowpack and what this wildfire season is shaping up to be, wildlife crossings, the trophy hunting origins of WWF, and what the film Trade Secret uncovered about why polar bears still aren't fully protected by law. Lexie works in policy — she's been apart of conversations with these corporations that I haven't, and she sees firsthand how slowly change actually moves, and why. What I didn't expect was how quickly we'd find the edges of an industry we both believed in, and how much we'd agree on what we found there.

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