In this week's episode Leonard Higgins speaks with Joanna about: two major influences in waking up from the American Dream; the impact of climate change and the uncertain future of humanity; climate direct action before a situation of global emergency; the Climate Necessity Defense; "what is legal is not always right"; scaling back the use of fossil fuels and transition to alternative energy; shutting down the pipeline; living in times of radical uncertainty; committed to inspiring, nonviolent, prayerful civil disobedience; the three domains of the work to be done according to Joanna Macy; finding our place in the shift from industrial growth society to a life-sustaining civilization; doing something that get people more in touch with the emergency we are facing; being silenced about the intent of the pipeline shutdown; inspired by the prayerful protectors of Standing Rock.