All links and images for this episode can be found on CISO Series.

Check out this post for the discussion that is the basis of our conversation on this week's episode co-hosted by me, David Spark (@dspark), the producer of CISO Series, and DJ Schleen, former distinguished security architect, Yahoo. Joining us is our sponsored guest Heath Renfrow, co-founder, Fenix24.

In this episode:

• Get creative
• Shift the focus of backups
• Failing the test
• Moving beyond false hope

Thanks to our podcast sponsor, Fenix24

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