In this raw and revealing episode, Karen and Jonelle unpack their differing views of protest, rally, or march. They explore how white women often confuse symbolic gestures with real action, and why language matters when organizing for justice. From the power of the 3.5% rule in civil resistance to the emotional toll of corporate boycotts, the episode dives deep into what it means to show up for change. The duo reflects on white women’s proximity to power, how that can reinforce the patriarchy, and why discomfort is a necessary part of growth. It’s a candid conversation about getting honest with ourselves and moving beyond optics toward change.

Call to Action:

• Interrogate the Optics – Ask yourself: is this discomfort about risk—or just visibility?
• Redefine Disruption – Don’t mistake gathering for action; protest requires pressure, not just presence.
• Commit Beyond the Moment – Rallies fade; policy change requires follow-through, sacrifice, and sustained discomfort.

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