Bruce chats with Andy Yen, founder and CEO of Proton, about what it’s like for a European company to take on Big Tech. Andy shares his journey from leaving CERN as a particle physicist to building one of the most trusted privacy-focused companies in the world.

He breaks down the lies behind VPN marketing, why most companies can't be trusted, and how Apple and Google's 30 percent tax inflates your bills. He also explains Europe’s trillion-dollar tech mistake.

From VPN myths to Swiss privacy laws, European tech independence, antitrust politics, and Proton’s plan to tackle tariffs and Big Tech taxes, this episode is an umbrella drink filled to the brim with hot topics you’ll want to sip all summer long.

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Show notes:

• Proton on X/Twitter

• DH Lawrence's Relativity poem

• Simon Migliano, Top10VPN

• Proton Foundation

• Swiss ordinance

• Proton threatens to quit Switzerland over new surveillance law

• Gail Slater, The Woman Leading the Surging MAGA Antitrust Movement

• A judge just blew up Apple's control of the App Store

• EuroStack

• The First Three Minutes

• Double Hidden Charm Tetraquark