Utah is in the middle of a fight in Congress over selling public lands as Utah's senior Senator, Mike Lee pushes for a proposal to be included in President Trump's big, beautiful bill. Host Lindsay Aerts is joined by Jordan Hess, legislative affairs director for Washington City, on why the city supports Lee's plan and whether it strikes the right balance of addressing Utah's housing needs while protecting public lands. The Wilderness Society's BLM Campaign director, Michael Carroll also joins to break down why they are opposed to the most recent version. Caroll also defends a series of maps the group created, which Lee has chastised for causing undue panic and fear, accusing the group of being led by "eco-terrorists."