In our fourth episode, we once again focus on the topic of Public Safety, but this time from an abolitionist perspective. This episode features community organizer and abolitionist Tynetta Hill-Muhammad in conversation with interviewer Andrea Hernandez. A student and community outreach worker, Hill-Muhammad, 25, also works as the Chicago Chapter Organizer for BYP100, or Black Youth Project 100. The photo they describe in this episode was taken on Aug. 19, 2021, at a rally outside a Chicago Police Department district office in Englewood. They stand speaking to a crowd and the press, in front of a banner that reads, in part, “Defund the Police.” For Hill-Muhammad, the photo represents a moment in time that reinforced their belief that police are not necessary for public safety—in fact, only community members have what they need to keep one another safe.