In this EXCLUSIVE interview with recent Aotearoa departee, Nathan Joe, Damien Levi is primed to find out what convinced him to finally 'pull the leaver'.

From Austin, Texas, Nathan speaks to his next adventure as an MFA student, his first impressions of Austin, being a real adult and leaning into being pretentious.

Helpful links from this episode might include Nathan's Instagram, Kieran McLean's Substack⁠, Nathan's interview with Stuff and bad apple.

Damien can also be found on ⁠Instagram⁠.

The local loser theme song is composed by Karen Hu.