Steve Patterson co-hosts with me as we talk to Alfie Kohn, the best-selling author of many books on parenting and education.  We spend a large portion of the show discussing how using punishments and rewards, carrots and sticks, teaches children that they are only loved under certain conditions, they are only valuable when they do good.   There are many ramifications of this approach, none of which are desirable.  We also discuss some of the flaws of the public education system, how it crushes the natural desire of children to learn.

Find more from Alfie Kohn here:  http://www.alfiekohn.org/index.php

Bumper music:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0H3RlaQVrM