In this episode, Benjamin Wilms chats with Casey Rosenthal, "The Chaos Engineering Guy", about what it takes to develop a proactive approach to reliability. First, Casey shares his experience at Netflix redefining and evangelizing chaos engineering and how he was able to communicate its value to leaders in the Finance and Healthcare industries. Then, he shares his perspective on how many popular reliability approaches are provably wrong, and the importance of developing a methodology of Continuous Verification. To wrap, Ben and Casey briefly discuss how AIs and LLMs could impact the reliability space and where there could be more hype than value.