In this episode, we look back on 2025. We reflect on stories from this year’s guests and on our own lived experiences in a shared pursuit around studying and practicing quality. Quality regularly shows up as something hard to define - becomes easier to see when you experience it, when you come into relationship with it.

A common thread across our conversations is that this wisdom is earned through practice, not in the theory. In John’s words, success is iterative. He saw this firsthand in Geneva, learning from some of the world’s oldest watchmakers how iteration has allowed them to endure for centuries. This theme also runs through Paul’s conversation with Victor Wooten, and our episode on quality in nature, where we observe that nature itself is the result of countless ongoing experiments. 

Thank you for being on this journey with us.