This episode, Izzy and Anna each select a single work of art they have made recently to talk about. Anna’s piece, as we fret at the edge of a toxic puddle ii, prompts discussions around rocks (as always), body parts (particularly teeth), machinery, mining, framing, and capitalism. Izzy’s piece, Have you spoken about that?, sparks a conversation around the unpredictability of wild creatures, the emotional connotations of horizontal and vertical lines, the uncanny, learning through observation, and the relationship between research and making. They also coin a new slogan for the podcast. Exhibitions/books mentioned: Ahmet Doğu İpek at Tate St Ives, The Mushroom at the End of the World by Anna Tsing.