Best friends Chen Chen and Sam Herschel Wein discuss their collaborative chapbook, Love That For Us, published by & Change Poetry. They share how their friendship and poetics formed, that fateful residency in Portland, Oregon, pop culture as critical history, and silliness and queer joy. As they are long-distance friends, Chen and Sam also reflect on spatial and physical revising for emotional impact, and how co-editing Underblong has helped them co-create, co-write, and co-revise, and disagree.