Izdihar Afyouni is an artist and curator captivated by sadomasochism, the body in pain, and biopolitics. In episode 9, Izdihar talks to Joy Stacey about rhizomes, torture, working with blood, and using art to reexamine our bodies.

After recording this episode, Izdihar wrote Joy an amazing open letter about censorship, sexuality and art in the Middle East. Read it at interventionistgod.com/jailhouse-mentality

Produced by Joy Stacey

Music: Gambol (Mystical Haze Remix) by Bottlesmoker on Creative Commons

Illustration by Didi Kamal