We finish talking about The Magicians with Eliot's traumatic memories, our differing opinions on the Cruel World slo-mo moment and the Take on Me scene, Q's big question, the sacrifice trope, and the politics and optics of producers hiding stuff from their cast.

Also, here's the Hale Appleman article we reference: https://www.out.com/television/2019/2/21/magicians-hale-appleman-ships-queliot-hard-you-do#toggle-gdpr

And Robert's rant about the season four finale: https://share.transistor.fm/s/ce35dcda