Welcome to Without Reform! We will be running multiple conversations side by side, so make sure to check out the episode title to know which thought train you are about to embark on.

This is Rabbit Trails. Our main focus will be modern church culture, deconstruction and how we got here/where do we go. Join in to hear why Joel thinks we might need to burn down the whole modern concept of church and how it parallels past times in the bible and church history. Friends will join in on the journey to discuss the points, tell Joel why he is wrong and ultimately find a path forward towards discovering the Real and Living God.

In this episode Joel and Robert discuss Ontology and the Church. Ontology is a tricky concept, as you will discover in the episode. At its core, its the study of what makes a thing-- that thing. As we are discussing modern church it is important to understand what parts are essential and what are things we add on to make us comfortable or keep because they are familiar. We would love to hear what you think the core elements of church are. Email us at [email protected]

Music: Funk in the Trunk by Shane Ivers – https://www.silvermansound.com