In another episode of the Governance and Policy Podcast, we interview Dr Phil Magness, Senior Research Fellow at the American Institute for Economic Research. He is also an economic historian whose work covers the intersection of history and political economy. Here, he shares his thoughts about the recent controversy over the death of George Floyd at the hands of American police, the challenge of racism in American society and history. He also discusses the 1619 project by the New York Times, and explains how classical liberalism has been an engine of liberation over the centuries.