In this episode, Dr Swilley and Rev Bushey discuss the four levels of racism (personal, interpersonal, institutional and structural) and how broken systems perpetuate systemic racism in our culture today. Retelling an old fable about a town with a bad curve in the road and our personal experiences with racoons, we talk about the role of fear holds us back from dismantling structural racism in America.

Funding for this episode was made possible by a Healing Illinois Grant.

Healing Illinois Grant
We receieved a Healing IL Grant through the Field Foundation for 2025. Healing Illinois is a statewi

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