Katy and Kailina reflect on Chapter 4 of A Wrinkle in Time, "The Black Thing." They discuss what it means to "stake one's life for truth," as Mrs. Who shares we must. They discuss both the complexity and the simplicity of the answer L'Engle presents at the end of this novel to this question. What is the difference between simple, common, commercialized love and the radical love that Katy and Kailina believe in? At the end of the episode, they use a new sacred reading practice, Floralegium, to search for meaning in this chapter.