On the HISA legal front, their outside counsel John Roach joins the show to break down the next steps in the fight over constitutionality and what will happen to the sport if the current system is struck down. Then the boys are joined by Claiborne president Walker Hancock to talk about a new effort to protect older mares, their new stallions for 2025 (including a new stallion exclusive announcement here on the show!) and the future of the historic farm.

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