What if the nation-state — the system that has shaped global politics for centuries — is no longer the dominant force in our world?

In this episode, I'm joined by internationally acclaimed novelist and essayist Rana Dasgupta, winner of the Windham-Campbell Prize, to discuss his ambitious and thought-provoking book, After Nations: The Making and Unmaking of a World Order.

We explore how globalization, technology, finance, and shifting power structures are reshaping the world — and what might come after the traditional idea of nations. This is a conversation about history, power, identity, and the uncertain future of global order.