In another interview recorded live at CyberCon Canberra 2025, David chats with with Peter Watson from Recorded Future. Peter provides insights into malware loaders and Remote Access Trojans (RATS), shedding light on their evasive tactics and the complexity of defending against them. Additionally, he delves into techniques like DLL hijacking, illustrating their subtlety and effectiveness. The conversation highlights the challenges faced by security teams in detecting such activities, emphasising the role of threat intelligence.