Tina and Sue start off talking about the challenging changes in the cigar business, then end up stressing the importance of being an upstander. It's interesting and fun seeing where conversations turn.

Sue Britz: Cohost/Producer/Director/Editor/Music & Graphics

Tina Lokkbakk: Cohost, author of After the Burn & the blog "Life After Estrangement" at lifeafterestrangement.com

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