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In this honest, thought-provoking episode, Kim and Roz pull back the curtain on the real-life experiences of dog trainers navigating the messy, emotional, and sometimes hypocritical world of dog training.

From muddy paws to murky ethics, they unpack everything from:

• What “reactivity” really means (and how the term gets misused)
• The fallout of punishment-based methods—and why they don’t care if that makes them unpopular
• How walking dogs professionally shaped their training philosophies
• The mental health toll of social media and criticism within the dog training world
• The fine line between education and confrontation when it comes to aversive tools

They talk about control, choice, and motivation—not just in dogs, but in trainers themselves. With plenty of personal anecdotes and raw opinions, this episode is a must-listen for anyone who’s ever felt conflicted about the right way to help dogs and humans coexist peacefully.

If you’ve ever wondered how to stay kind, stay curious, and still speak your truth in a field full of strong opinions and strong tools—this one’s for you.

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