Kristen and Kyla are joined by activist and friend of the pod Robert Miller to discuss two very different films: Planet of the Humans (we watched it so you wouldn't have to) and 2040 (Kyla's new favourite documentary)! You are encouraged to watch 2040, but Planet of the Humans isn't even worth hate-watching. Topics: climate denial tactics in action; what to do if you liked Planet of the Humans (it's OK to have a change of heart); all of the cool technologies explored in 2040; is it OK to love a film full of dad jokes? (yes).

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