Chase Parham and Ben Craddock are with you for another episode of Real Conversations. Chase got in an internet situation with an entire fan base over the weekend which brought some more comprehensive points into view. Note: the podcast is a day late because of some technical difficulties related to travel. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com

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