What happens when two seasoned executive coaches stop playing nice and start telling the truth? In this episode, Lauren LeMunyan and Laurie Battaglia dive headfirst into the murky waters of the coaching industry.

Together they unpack the differences (and blurred lines) between coaching, advising, mentoring, and training. From the "broke coach" epidemic and sketchy frameworks to certification gatekeeping and emotional burnout, nothing is off the table.

They explore what leaders actually need, how to choose the right support, and why personal transformation isn't a checklist. With humor, edge, and smidge bit of cursing, this conversation is a wake-up call for anyone working in or around the coaching world.

If you've ever rolled your eyes at the term "empowerment," questioned your own career title, or felt the weight of leadership loneliness, this one's for you.