In this conversation recorded 10/11/2025, Doug V (D) and DC Beltway International War Crimes Attorney Ewen Allison (R) discuss the current state of civil discourse in America, the impact of media and memes on political understanding, and the complexities surrounding immigration and Trump's policies. Ewen shares his insights on the importance of rational discourse, the role of government, and the implications of abandoning soft power in foreign relations. The discussion also touches on the hypocrisy in political support and the significance of norms in governance.