In conversations about race, we hear a lot about symbols:  flags, statues, monuments, pop culture icons - and on and on.

That’s part of what I heard this week in a discussion that included two scholars on our campus, the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga.

Chandra Ward is assistant professor of sociology here at UTC - and Jonathan McNair is the Ruth S. Holmberg Professor of American Music. 

I spoke with them - and Marcus Ellsworth, artistic manager at Barking Legs Theater here in Chattanooga - as well as an activist and organizer.