In this powerful and thought-provoking episode, Rabbi Daniel Septimus and Dr. Matt Schocket sit down with Professor Gil Troy — author and Senior Fellow in Zionist Thought at the Jewish People Policy Institute.

Together, they explore loss, resilience, and the enduring joy of the Israeli spirit, while debating the evolving meaning of Zionism and what it means to be both Jewish and democratic. From transformative Birthright experiences to candid discussions about family, military service, and community, this conversation offers a unique window into the challenges and hope shaping Jewish identity today.