We've reconvened after a short break to let Billy climb an actual (not metaphorical) mountain and a lot happened while we had a little rest - not least of which was the sad passing of Ozzie Osbourne, just a matter of days after the celebratory final Black Sabbath gig. We'd already decided it was time we investigated the fathers of Heavy Rock and fair to sat neither of us really knew what we were getting in to.

Thankfully and fortuitously our rambling was interrupted by an actual lifelong Sabbath fan (and actual Brummie) in the form of our resident expert singing teacher Loz.

And Martin forgot how microphones work, but I think we got away with it.

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