Dr. Robert Redfield, former CDC Director, joins the podcast to cover what’s changed since the pandemic and what still hasn’t: long COVID, vaccine injury claims, the limits of public health messaging, and why trust may be the most important countermeasure we have.

Redfield also shares his warning about what could come next, including the risks of gain-of-function research, lab safety failures, and why he believes antiviral drug development matters more than another scramble for vaccines.

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