In This REF TALK episode, Sade explains her days as a fiery high school and college basketball player with a chip on her shoulder leading to 60 technical fouls on her. C.S. also leads her as they examine how her playing experiences has lead her to learning life lessons of empathy and compassions towards officials. They also explore Sade’s angle as a travel ball athlete’s parent and her approach to switching from on the court to spectating from the bleachers.