Chris and Rifa's continuing adventures in the arts, diversity and culture.
Then we fall into a difficult, not necessarily successful conversation about the removal of statues of slave traders.
In What You Reading For? Rifa is deep into blogs and information site about supporting #BlackLivesMatter, while Chris is reading Robert Pinsky's writing guide The Sound Of Poetry.
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